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As I see it, there are several important things which remain most, foremost in my mind, and

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the reason I'm going to speak of, not to give you detail or word for word of what the report

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consisted of. And the first thing that comes to mind in this subject is, as we were talking

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with Peter and Charles a moment ago about a doctor, Ken Houston, who in fact saw something

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at the time of the Sputnik, a place called Varmira where he was stationed in New Guinea in 1959.

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The Russian satellite should have been going in one direction and he saw it going in the opposite direction.

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And he theorized, rightly so I guess, at the dinner table the following day that it must have been a flying saucer.

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And this is the first occasion which I'd ever heard anybody refer to flying saucers, in fact.

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There was a gathering about the size of this tonight, all sitting around the table and then the subject

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got on the flying saucers and of course nobody but Dr. Ken Houston really believed it existed.

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Sometime after this, and I say sometime, it was a matter of months, I was coming back from a three week walk about.

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Walk about is a troll and it was my job at that particular time in 1959 to be an inspector of schools.

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There were twelve schools in the very large district, some of them up in the old Stanley Ranges,

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and it was my job to go around and check on them and as an inspector might do.

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And then on my way back, the normal thing was to get a whale boat, have a whale boat waiting for me at a particular spot

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and to row back along the coast.

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And on this particular night as I was drawing into my home station, somewhere between 7 and 8, I guess,

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I looked across towards the mountains, the mountain range, the mountain which I knew very well.

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And there I saw what I thought was a tilly lamp.

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A tilly lamp is a pressure paraffin lamp and at a distance it sparkles.

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Rather like the magnesium children's playthings, what it called sparkles, rather like this in the thick, except that it drowned.

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And I took it to be a tilly lamp and it was only afterwards that I thought maybe it was not.

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In fact, I thought that it could not have been because on this particular mountain, which is something over 2,000 feet high,

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it was rather desolate and certainly there were no gardens there.

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Certainly nobody in his right mind would be up there without a particular reason, such as being a member of a geographical society or something like this,

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of this description and certainly nobody would be up there at night with a tilly lamp.

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Now these fought pass through my mind as I gazed up to this light from the sea.

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But still it was far from the subject of flying sources and so I accepted that there was just somebody stupid enough to be there.

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When I arrived home, however, again I was rather remote from the subject because I was not well informed.

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Neither was I really interested in the subject of UFOs.

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But when I arrived home, one of my head teachers, native Papuan teachers, by the name of Stephen Moy, Gil, which might sound suspicious,

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he came to me and said, last Sunday night I saw a rather strange thing.

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You know all that there is to know about strange things. You tell me what it is.

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And then he described, and I've written this down in a letter that I wrote to a friend of mine, David Dewey,

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who was the head and principal of the St. Adrian's Teachers College.

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He described an object over the sea.

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And I asked him more kinds of questions about it, its size, its shape, what it is like, a sixpence, what it is like, a plate.

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And each time he came back and said, no, it was like a saucer.

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This is the nearest thing that I can relate it to.

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And I'm assuming that at least a few people here who have read that letter, if you haven't, Mr. Barron here will show you that you have a copy of it to see.

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And it was from then that I became rather curious.

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And you remember how I signed it to David Dewey, who later on, by the way, was able to sign another statement that he and his wife had seen with Frank Shorster.

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But before this, of course, he was interested, academic, but not totally convinced.

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And what did I sign myself as?

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The Outing Bill.

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That's right, the Outing Bill.

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Now you see with this signature, this is going back in retrospect, in this signature there was

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some how or other forming in my mind the possibility of these things.

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The integrity in my mind of Stephen Lloyd could never be doubted.

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I had extreme trust and faith in him as a character and as an honest person.

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And Frederick and I were mentioning just a short time ago about, in fact, the significance and the importance of having doubts.

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The scientists are having doubts on how this can lead then to research and investigation.

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So I guess I must have been at this kind of stage.

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And then, of course, before I sent the letter off, then the actual findings that might occur.

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Now, not talking about actual incidents or why it was, how it was recorded, but the few things that stand most, foremost in my mind.

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This is going back now 11 and a half years.

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And there are some things which are tremendously vivid.

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I'll mention them.

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The lights that I mentioned before, that seem like too loud.

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This remains most vivid, a vivid pictorial impression in my mind.

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An outline of the saucer, a separated portion or a dark portion between it and this sparkling light.

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So there's a light, outline, darkness, and the object itself.

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That is most vivid.

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Another major vivid thing is the shaft of blue electric light emanating from the top of the craft up towards the heavens.

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An electric blue light, rather I think I described as a pencil with light.

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Another very vivid impression remains there without any doubt at all in my own mind, in any case, that I saw it.

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And that is the waving man.

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I saw Amy Michelle on Saturday.

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He said, you know, there was a character also who saw somebody wave and I said, well, that's me.

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He said, oh, that's you.

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And so it's going to become even more interesting.

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But this, in fact, is one thing which I just can't count by the power of my mind.

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That something that looked human waved in this apparent response to waves of wave that we get.

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Outside of the report itself, there were one or two incidents which I recorded because I felt that it was going to be a reasonable report,

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but they should be entered.

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Although I didn't attach any theories about whether they were connected with the event of the sighting or not.

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One was this ear splitting sound noise, like a gun report, I guess, or something which in this case had been out of my experience before.

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That evening, it was overcast and I was inside and there was this great noise.

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I looked out the window and could see nothing.

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Some people would ask me whether I smelled anything.

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I don't recall smelling anything either.

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But that's the noise which will always remain with me.

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The other one was also a noise and that was again after this outpost sighting and that was the noise of as though something had been dropped from the great height.

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Some metallic substance, I guess, being dropped from the great height onto the galvanized iron roof of one of the,

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where in fact there was a petition of the building I was in.

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So convinced I was that something had been dropped, that I got somebody to climb up the next morning to examine the roof,

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and nobody could find any article, nobody could find any dent.

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So what that was, whether it was connected with the events of the night, I have no idea.

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But I wrote those down and as a supplement or agenda rather than a totally reported sale.

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But why did I report this thing?

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Why didn't I just stand and look and tell a story afterwards?

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Well this I suppose was the fact that I had been doing some, a bit of journalistic work,

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and also that I had been doing some other study and I was in the habit of carrying paper and pencil for this very thing.

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And I suppose when I first saw this object and it distinguished it from Venus,

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because it was in virtually the same direction, that I thought well now, this is what I've been waiting for.

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I guess I thought this.

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This is what I've been waiting for.

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This is the sort of thing that nobody would believe unless I write it down.

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In fact I won't believe unless I write it down either, because you know how it is, especially in the tropics.

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I didn't have any whiskey on board, but you never know that people might or might not believe that.

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And I wrote this down minute by minute.

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Whenever anything happened I put it down and it was just as simple as that.

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I had a rather academic approach to it.

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I was not excited.

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Not that I remember.

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Certainly I had the calm enough mind to be able to record the events without any trouble.

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I wonder too if the reason for the same, rather the same behaviour in the part of the natives was because I treated it as a reasonable sort of thing rather than becoming agitated.

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And I believe that had I become terribly excited, they would have become terribly excited too.

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Had I been in fear, they would have been.

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I feel that they were watching me fully because it was out of their experience.

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I asked them afterwards had they ever seen anything like this before.

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Stephen Moyer of course had a different kind of thing.

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But he was the only one really who was possibly more agitated in it than I would have imagined.

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Well, this is a brief outline of the Reminiscence.

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And I feel that you know as much about these sightings as I do myself by now.

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They've been passed from person to person.

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I was in Birmingham a week ago, picked up a book on UFOs.

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I was rather surprised to find there.

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I can't tell you what the title was now, but I think it was seven for about five and six.

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And what I saw and how I saw it and the reason for my seeing it, I feel ashamed to tell you.

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But there it was.

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This is not the first occasion, of course I've seen things like this.

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But apart from that, that sort of thing, you know the kind of, you know what I feel.

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Is that right? Everybody's familiar with what I read in those days.

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Well, if they're not, they soon will be submitted to publishers.

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I'm very happy to make clear any other little points perhaps that people might be interested in.

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It wouldn't make you very much in deep.

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Who they like you are.

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I have a question, Mr. Chairman.

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When you saw this thing and looked at it, and I appreciate it, this could only be a subjective impression of your answer at all.

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Did you have an impression of being observed?

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No, I didn't.

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You're going to be settled, Sam. Everybody can get it.

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How was it?

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No, you didn't. Thanks very much.

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Well, I tell you why.

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Because it seemed as though the people on the crowd, let's assume they were people, and we've got to start somewhere,

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were more interested in what they were doing on the crowd than in us.

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This was the impression we got.

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I just thought to myself, that's something I see.

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I've misunderstood so long, that there are not people who should be attended.

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But I think it happens that you were still out there, that you were aware of somebody waving to you.

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So, you're aware of that.

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Yes, but there's a major definition of observation.

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I think in my report, you will see that they wave, and then they carry on with whatever the business was.

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Sorry, I'm dead to this report.

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How many?

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We've fought four.

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Four waves?

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Not once, no.

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There were four things as though there were four beings.

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They were all waving to each other.

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They didn't wave.

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They knocked them very all together, no.

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How many people were observed?

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What's it? 35 or 37?

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37 makes up, I don't do exactly.

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How many actual sightings were there?

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Two nights, which we could really be certain about.

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But more witnesses to the person?

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Yes, I know.

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You've said before, too, what's this about?

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Well, David Dury, the man I mentioned at the Teachers College, was my first correspondent.

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And I asked him, actually, Norman Cutwell, Kenan Norman Cutwell,

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was on patrol at that particular time.

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And I mentioned to David Dury, asking him whether he thought it would be worth,

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or whether Norman Cutwell would be interested,

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because Norman Cutwell had been an unofficial conifer

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of sightings that had been going on in New Zealand, getting him for months.

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He had been keeping records of people who had been coming in from all kinds of places,

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up on the hills, and along the coasts and on boats.

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Such recordings as moons exploding, this kind of thing.

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I just don't remember how many there were, but a funny number of them.

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And so I mentioned to David, did he think Norman would be interested?

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I sent a copy over to Norman.

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Norman then sent it on to Brisbane, and the Brisbane people engaged in the papers.

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That's how it came out.

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Could I ask, Chris?

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We've read a lot in recent years about some not-popular accounts of the cargo cult

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among the people who do get in here.

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Now, I was curious to know whether any of your native people there were permission.

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Were there any of them inclined to interpret it in terms of that?

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Not where I was. They were rather more sophisticated.

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Not that we, I suppose, that's the wrong word to use,

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because there are quite a number of sophisticated people who still believe in the cargo cult,

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but it's not that particular area, the wrong area.

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There's up to many questions.

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Two of those ones have just been asked.

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You did say earlier that there was one man who, in a group, you had complete trust,

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who had previous experience,

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Yes.

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He was a trustee, and in a group you had complete trust, so there was integrity of trust.

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Are you aware of his soul psyche?

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Did he have visions, or did he have a means of communication with the stomach beings,

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and he ever, if you said so, was in the psyche?

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Neither before nor since.

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Neither before nor since.

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No.

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So you're not aware that he was a trustee?

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No. This was the only, to my knowledge,

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but he was one of the...

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What made you feel that he was connected reliable in this field?

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No. Completely trustworthy and...

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As a observer?

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No. As a person, a person who is statements,

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I had no reason to doubt.

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Neither before nor since.

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Has he ever communicated with me that he's seen or heard anything that's not a person?

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Were you able to estimate roughly the distance?

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No.

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Away from you, after the optic when you decided it was the first or the second time?

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No.

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At the time, as I remember it, there was no reason to wave other than just to wave,

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because this thing was there and there seemed to be people up.

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And was it a matter of miles or hundreds of yards?

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Could you get as near as that?

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No. Feet. Hundreds of feet.

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Yes.

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It was dark in the beginning.

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Not at the beginning.

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It was dusk.

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And then, of course, it went into darkness.

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And was it self-illuminant?

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Yes.

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So it really was sawed by its own light, almost.

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That's right.

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Because after, after say 6.30, it was, there was no light apart from the stars.

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I don't remember if it stopped at that hour or more, you would hear.

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That's right.

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It was, isn't it?

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Yes.

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Yes. Quite a long time.

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True.

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I hope you could elaborate on those questions of distance and satalogy.

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Ah, calculate.

237
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Yes.

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Any mathematicians.

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Yes.

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Otherwise, I'll keep quiet.

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Because this is my problem.

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I was aware that the important thing, one of the important things for me,

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is trying to estimate the size of the craft.

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So I had to assume one or two things.

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Most importantly, I had to assume that the figures were of, say, average size.

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Now, the average size of a parfait would be about 5'7", 5'8", as a normal man.

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And so the next day, I got one of them, my average size, skull pupils, and masked him

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across the playing field until he became the size of the things on the craft.

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And I did this measurement with my hand.

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Now, whether this is the right way to go about it or not, whether elevation made any difference

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or not, I wouldn't know.

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But that doesn't matter.

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This is what I had to do.

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And once we got him there, then my hand span, which was roughly about 5 inches,

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I had to correct that at one state, I said 8 inches.

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And then I realized that, in fact, when I was not conscious about having my hand up for a span,

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that in fact it was a lot less.

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And so I had to then readjust from 8 to 5 inches.

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And so then we got out across, and I measured across one of the school buildings,

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and told them then to get there a little bit, or a yard rule or something,

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to measure the distance.

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And we got around what was it?

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30 feet, 30 feet, 30 feet.

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Something like that.

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This is the diameter of the craft.

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No, I wouldn't say diameter.

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It was the length.

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The length as we saw it.

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What shape was it?

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What shape was it?

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We assumed it was a disc.

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It was a round.

273
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What was the number of diamonds?

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A cylindrical, yes, cylindrical.

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It's still a bit, right?

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Circular.

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Yes, it had depth.

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And weight.

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It's not actually superstructural, though it might be a little bit of a smell.

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It's indeterminate shape.

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What I described in my report as a superstructural would seem to be

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rather like the top of the both deck.

283
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What do I call it?

284
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Wait, it's off the globe.

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It's a superstructure.

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That was the cylindrical.

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It's the cylindrical, if they have anything coming up about that.

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No, yes, there was a deck structure.

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There were two parts on it.

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What I call the body of the craft.

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And then there was what I interpreted as a superstructure on top of that.

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What shape was that?

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It was, it reminded us, because we were right on the couch.

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And it reminded us of the superstructure on the deck of a craft.

295
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Well, who was always on that?

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Yes, they were, we could, no, not on top of it.

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But as though they were behind it, in fact we could see no legs.

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We assumed that that was from waist upwards, if we do you see.

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Were they near there?

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Yes, it seemed as though.

301
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We couldn't identify and cover over.

302
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Did you sacrifice the camera?

303
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Did you sacrifice the camera?

304
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We didn't have any, I don't think we didn't have a camera, but we certainly had no film.

305
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We had no thermocolates.

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Nothing like it.

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I mean, we weren't expecting this to say.

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And the distance again?

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It did, at one stage, I thought, 300, 400 feet, something like that, at the nearest point.

310
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At the furthest?

311
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The furthest, you mean when it was stationary.

312
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The cloud cover I estimated on the Vyber Mountain was about 2,000 feet, and it was under the cloud cover.

313
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So it could be between a quarter and three miles away from here?

314
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I guess so.

315
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You see, I'm only judging on the nearest point by what I assume, the size of the...

316
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The odd, the nearest, not the furthest.

317
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What?

318
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The observations are based on the nearest, not the furthest.

319
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My observations have to mention the cloud cover, yes.

320
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And all these figures mean that this is the nearest.

321
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300 feet away from the top, you mean?

322
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Not talking about two miles away, we couldn't see that.

323
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No, I'm talking between...

324
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Let's say between 300 feet and 2,000 feet.

325
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2,000 feet, that's the amount of the quarter.

326
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No, no, no, no, let's go.

327
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1760, you're missing.

328
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No, that's yours.

329
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That's yours.

330
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That's the optimum.

331
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So maybe 6,000 feet to a mile, and I remember the surprise I was hearing.

332
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And I was surprised at the way you begin to visualize what you're seeing.

333
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I mean, if I look at you, I see you'll see it there.

334
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But if you came out of the sea in the mist, I was not expecting you.

335
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You'd make me quite a bit of time before I...

336
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Right.

337
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Let's say it was the other way round.

338
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He was very impressed with the visibility of the people when they ran by the coast.

339
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And then as they receded, he took the students to the coast.

340
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Yes, yes.

341
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So they just...

342
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That's right.

343
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The truth is that regarding...

344
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from preface, if I can't get dates or times,

345
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but there was a stage when the crowd cover, I estimated about 2,000 feet

346
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judging on the height of the mountain preface to us about a couple of miles away.

347
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But when it was under that, and there was a glow reflected from it, emanating from it,

348
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or seemed to be, on to the surface of the crowd.

349
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So therefore, it must have been around and under 2,000 feet.

350
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And then at the stage when it came closer.

351
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And in my report, I remarked that we thought it was going to land.

352
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In fact, we began waving, hoping that it would.

353
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He said that the only person of being, while the remote button comes in the area,

354
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when I began to approach it now,

355
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the only person was the person who had seen this nearer and watched it receding.

356
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We did that. We watched it come and go. Yes.

357
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But a reflection on the surface of the crowd, which we just should not do,

358
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is orange or yellow or rosy or red or how would you describe the colour?

359
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It's in your head, but no.

360
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What is it, an even colour all over, or does it have a brighter colour?

361
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I think so.

362
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Would you say that it could be, say, orange or yellow, a brighter, orange or yellow towards the base?

363
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No, really, it's too far away from the city.

364
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What is the colour of the brighter base?

365
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That's 11 years and a long time.

366
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But what I can say is that it tended to be a more yellowy light of the crowd,

367
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in contrast to the white moving light around it.

368
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Yes. I asked you, a seemingly odd question,

369
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whether you were conscious that they'd observed from the face of the dish while it was silly.

370
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You were looking at something a great distance away. How are you to know?

371
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I meant, rather than this, did you have any sort of feeling of a physical kind?

372
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Did you have the feeling of a sort of rabbit?

373
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Suddenly, focusing your attention and unable to divert it?

374
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Or did you have any sort of tingling?

375
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A frightened person might feel as if there's a ghost around.

376
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In other words, were there any subjective, physical reactions that you could recall?

377
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Only once.

378
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Which was?

379
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000
And that was the time of that noise I spoke of.

380
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,000
Yes. And your reaction to that was what?

381
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:55,000
First of all, there was certainly some kind of emotional reaction, but I can't really discuss it.

382
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000
Physical? I guess a little.

383
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:06,000
No, there was no reaction in the sense that there was some outside force acting towards me.

384
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000
Did you make any noise at all?

385
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000
No. No noise, no smell.

386
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,000
There's a lot of noise.

387
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:21,000
The only noises that were made were, in fact, when the craft was not visible to me,

388
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they were outside or gone.

389
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And I recall as a matter of course they happened, not because I made any connection,

390
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a necessary connection with the sighted.

391
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,000
All sorts of psychological effects you have on the rest of the mission.

392
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:44,000
Did you notice any sort of religious feeling?

393
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000
No.

394
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I made some preliminary remarks to report afterwards about this kind of thing.

395
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And I suggested there, there were many suggestions which I made,

396
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which I made virtually no comment about.

397
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There were only suggestions that passed through my mind.

398
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And one of them was this kind of thing, that perhaps me as an authoritative figure,

399
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my reaction was then being passed on to the natives who are much less sophisticated than I was.

400
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And because I had an objective approach to it, so did they.

401
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Now had I had any other approach, other kind of approach towards it, I believe they would have too.

402
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:46,000
So Father John, have you seen in the review of any words, any photographs that were made on love for this kind,

403
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which seemed to you, to bear any resentments to that which you saw?

404
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:58,000
Oh yes, I have, yes. I can't label for you, but yes I have.

405
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:06,000
Not in total, but certain aspects of other sightings are reasonably close to what I had seen.

406
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Is he? I examine the photographs which are submitted to the reviewer,

407
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:21,000
and he never believed they're nearly always technically, they're nearly always technically bad.

408
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:26,000
I'm an optimist by nature and pessimist by experience, but I'm not a critic.

409
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:33,000
I examine everything on his merits, and over a period of several years I've been examining many photographs,

410
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:41,000
quite a number of which are obviously fake, but in the things which are not, they're nearly always technically bad.

411
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:51,000
But there are certain resemblances between photographs taken at enormously disparate points,

412
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and they have the same kind of structure. I don't look for a technically perfect photograph,

413
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,000
but when you have enough bad photographs which can be related together,

414
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:09,000
has obviously bad photographs of similar phenomena.

415
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:19,000
This is progress of a very miniscule level, but it is progress, and this is as much as one can hope for.

416
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:27,000
Therefore, I'm very interested to know if you've seen any photographs which have been published in a review,

417
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:37,000
which in particular seem to be bad photographs of the sort of phenomena which you saw.

418
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,000
I can't label any of these either off my hand, I admire them, but there are certainly some photographs,

419
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:52,000
sometimes I partially might repeat here about this in the past, that I myself would say seem to be,

420
00:32:52,000 --> 00:33:00,000
and some of the have written accounts sometimes, incredible, sometimes unbelievable, that I could not accept.

421
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:07,000
But of course, this is my opinion, because if I have seen one kind, and this is not to say,

422
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:17,000
but some of these accounts do seem even to me, most remarkable, sometimes to me unbelievable.

423
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:26,000
There is more than one crime which I saw, that also goes into the report, at one stage I think there were eight,

424
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:32,000
that's the figure that comes from nine, but I think it was, certainly there was an 81 stage.

425
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,000
What do you do about it?

426
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000
I do it in the sky at one time.

427
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,000
In the sky?

428
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000
Yes. Well, spread over the sky.

429
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,000
Yeah, yeah, who was looking for it?

430
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:54,000
No. But there was one crime which I knew and described, which was unlike this major crime which I was again talking about,

431
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:01,000
the mother ship or the mother craft, I get with, in itself seemed to be just a cylinder,

432
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,000
from our distance about a quarter of a inch thick.

433
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000
Still is, though.

434
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:13,000
I do it in Gomsauro. I do it about a quarter of an inch thick from where we were,

435
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:21,000
and that had little light spots on it, rectangular light spots, which I suppose were some kind of fortholes.

436
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Could you please give us some indication of the relationship in time,

437
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:32,000
of what you're speaking about now with the initial sighting?

438
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,000
This was all over two days, two nights.

439
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,000
I see.

440
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,000
In two nights.

441
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,000
How was that?

442
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,000
There were two long sightings which were described in the report.

443
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,000
Now, virtually, these were the only ones which I could identify.

444
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,000
How long?

445
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,000
How long?

446
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,000
One was two hours.

447
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,000
Well, it was longer than that, I think.

448
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Wasn't it, can you remember the figures?

449
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,000
But it was a considerable time.

450
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,000
There was one stage, I think, where it was very long, yes.

451
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,000
It went up to 10 to 10 p.m. from about, oh, quarter to six.

452
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,000
It looked a lot like 10.

453
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,000
It looked as if it was having a dark effect, which would not be fair to me.

454
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:21,000
It looked, of course, as natural or, possibly, super natural.

455
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Not so natural, as I thought.

456
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,000
No, that's my impression.

457
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,000
You say, largely, or not, would you say there were machines,

458
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,000
man-bite people going about some sort of operation?

459
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000
This is exactly as it seems.

460
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,000
No, no, that's too much of a quarter of an inch.

461
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,000
So this is a quarter of an inch there, or a quarter of an inch around the length?

462
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A quarter of an inch is there.

463
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There.

464
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
A quarter of an inch is there is certainly a thing here.

465
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,000
But this was a quite a minute sort of thing.

466
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000
Yes, I think that is because we always think about that.

467
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000
It's just very much to be here.

468
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:04,000
It just seemed out there, at this, which one of the corners meant the same.

469
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,000
But at the early, early debate, by the shoulders.

470
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000
At the quarter of an inch around the length, didn't you say?

471
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000
You mean a quarter of an inch at arms length?

472
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,000
No, a quarter of an inch as I saw it.

473
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,000
Of course, a quarter of an inch at a hundred yards you can't see. Surely.

474
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,000
No, it's not.

475
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000
That means a hundred yards away.

476
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000
Let me show you the image.

477
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000
Let me show you the image.

478
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Here's the quarter.

479
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000
Select it.

480
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,000
I'll give you the voice.

481
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,000
That's a quarter of an inch at arms length.

482
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000
I was a hundred yards away.

483
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,000
As I saw it, everybody imagined the same as I was next, I think.

484
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:43,000
No, as I saw it, it seemed to be whatever the distance, whether it was one yard or one mile, I don't know.

485
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,000
But it was a disc, which, to my eyes, was about a quarter of an inch thick.

486
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000
That's why I don't look much like that.

487
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:57,000
I'm not trying to, I'm not one of these fellows who knows how to measure or what to do with me.

488
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000
I've got to be a mascara.

489
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:09,000
If I saw a plane, I can only judge the distance of a plane because I've seen one on the ground of that same model.

490
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,000
But if you can, it's a new kind of plane.

491
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000
I'm not as lost as they are.

492
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Surely, it doesn't change the view of the video.

493
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,000
No.

494
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,000
It's a seven to eight.

495
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,000
Five will have you. It's three quarters of an inch.

496
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,000
It's a maximum.

497
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,000
What?

498
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,000
I don't know if that was flying the plane with three quarters of an inch of your definition.

499
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,000
That's all.

500
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,000
I'm lost because of this.

501
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,000
Yes.

502
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,000
That's quite so.

503
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000
Anyway, that's fair.

504
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Another question.

505
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,000
Yes.

506
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:42,000
Were you able to form an opinion as to whether the people, which you saw are common people,

507
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,000
were killed in any way or had any thing on their heads or were they just little outlines?

508
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:57,000
They were, well, more than outlines, but they were seen to be solids, but there was no indication of clothing.

509
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,000
No color.

510
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,000
No color.

511
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
It was good.

512
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:08,000
So, Bill, can you be absolutely sure that there were just people on the deck of a ship offshore?

513
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,000
No, I can't.

514
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000
I can't be sure about anything.

515
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,000
All I can be sure about is the image that I have in my mind of what I saw.

516
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000
And this had me worried.

517
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:26,000
This is the reason for my getting several of the more educated among the witnesses to get

518
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,000
into corners of the room and say, now, draw what you saw.

519
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,000
And three or four of those drawings are incorporated in the report.

520
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:43,000
And if you see them, that there are significant similarities.

521
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000
That is, say, the object.

522
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,000
That's as much as you could possibly hope for.

523
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,000
That's right.

524
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Because people have entirely different ratios of graphic and portrait.

525
00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:03,000
You'll notice, right, you'll notice one of them has in fact viewed it from a thought, which, of course, was impossible.

526
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000
But it's what he imagined it was.

527
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Yeah, I was going to say, Bill, didn't you say that the thing took off after deciding which you shouldn't possibly have done?

528
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,000
So I think that excludes the possibility of being a ship.

529
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:23,000
In those days, there were all kinds of rumors about machines with the atomic age and all that.

530
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:29,000
And a hovercraft, I think it was just in the beginning of the age of the hovercraft.

531
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:39,000
And this could have been a hovercraft to us, which is some kind of, you know, and particularly me as not being more than a man of the humanity,

532
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000
rather than a scientist.

533
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:52,000
I was not even prepared at the beginning to really believe that they were not something which was quite from the old days.

534
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,000
In those days, it was lucky if they could talk so hard, because we thought something would be out of white.

535
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Yeah, but to me, you see, and particularly being victim of in the world, there,

536
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:13,000
there are a few facts, deep down inside, with some of the years on, the one in the car from the lake,

537
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,000
there's no one like a hovercraft, no?

538
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,000
There's nothing that's possible, I would give a fair amount of to this.

539
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:26,000
It's not like you saw this car and people had cared to do well, you know, in the past.

540
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Yes.

541
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000
Then, a day passed.

542
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,000
Yes.

543
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,000
During which nothing was there.

544
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,000
That's right.

545
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,000
And then you saw this and other cars between you.

546
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Yes.

547
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:45,000
Now, it's reasonable to assume you're not doing well in something, and I'm not a better person.

548
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:52,000
I see, of course, you wonder why, after an interval in which, presumably, they drive well.

549
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,000
They should then come back.

550
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Yes, I guess the second night, I wonder.

551
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,000
And so, it's quite some time afterwards.

552
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:11,000
Of course, my eyes were rarely off the sky at night, wondering whether I'd ever see such a thing again.

553
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:18,000
This, of course, is not going to report, because this is the subjectiveness of the objective report that was, that was meant to be.

554
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,000
But, yes, I guess I did, in retrospect.

555
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,000
You see, with the gauges and polypots, what about the electric pieces, I suppose.

556
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:38,000
Then, you've got to mention this flatter on the corrugated iron roof, I suppose, I'm not to be guessing.

557
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Some such effect could be obtained by a downward draft of considerable force.

558
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Was that your impression, as it was in my view?

559
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,000
No.

560
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,000
It was thought that it was not a leaf, because it was not a physical leaf.

561
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,000
Oh, no, not physically, anyway.

562
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000
It was sort of the sort of thing you might get to them.

563
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:06,000
No, no, it was rather like, let's say, a six-inch bolt being dropped from, let's say, 20 or 30 feet.

564
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,000
You felt a draft.

565
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:14,000
No, you feel as though that is the experience of that little bit of feeling.

566
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,000
Yes.

567
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,000
You have to force it up, the top, that's the kind of feeling you think.

568
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,000
The way you close it, the more the weight.

569
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,000
And it ties up, of course, the focus, that's the one.

570
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

571
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:38,000
I believe that we are then, I believe we can already show that the connection between some of the vectors, the vectors they are,

572
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:46,000
the vectors that they are, that the photon is identical, some of the vectors may be identical with what we call them, the objects.

573
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Yes, they are both, sorry, they don't sound like a plot to get started.

574
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000
They have been dropping.

575
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,000
They have been dropping.

576
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,000
Except that there was no dense, nothing visible there, that's the much next step.

577
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Why are they so neat this way?

578
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,000
Because it's not the first time it's fighting, but it's the third time it's post-bust.

579
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,000
No, there's a man in a box with him.

580
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,000
Now, it was a terrible communication, I think, that she didn't talk.

581
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:20,000
Did you think that there was a reluctance on our cars to communicate that with you, or they did it in some,

582
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,000
a car you insisted on answering anywhere?

583
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,000
What was your feeling?

584
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,000
We felt it.

585
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Yeah, coming to the subject, we felt that I was wrong there.

586
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,000
And that's a deliberate wish to ask your...

587
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,000
Yes.

588
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:44,000
This was our interpretation, but of course, this may not have happened again, may not have happened earlier,

589
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,000
but this is as we felt it.

590
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Yes.

591
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,000
Is this a polite response?

592
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,000
No, it's a polite response.

593
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
A polite response, not sure.

594
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,000
Our response to that...

595
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,000
Your response to the light.

596
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,000
That's a proper interpretation.

597
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,000
Their response was popular.